Clubbing
Should Christians go out clubbing? Our latest article is about clubbing, now debate and have your say!
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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Matthews on -
I have to say I don't see anything wrong with a child of God going clubbing. I remember in one of Max's book I forget which one where he said imagined Jesus at the party where he turned the water into wine, hanging and having fun with the disciples, and spining the bride around on the floor a couple of times.
It's that image that reminds me of myself when I'm in a club. You see I love to dance, salsa,hip-hop,etc.. and I go to dance club,but the club never changes me I always some how end up changing someone in it.
You see I don't drink so I always get cranberry juice when I'm in the club,and one day I gave a huge revelation to group of people that no you don't have to drink alcohol when you're in the club.
You see, "The only way you can bring light to dark is by entering it."
NOW! If you know you have a problem being the club or God has told you that is not for you then by all means STAY OUT AND FAR AWAY!
"But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean" (Roman 14:14) -
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Permalink Reply by Peter McMurray on -
I personally have no issues with going out to a club, both for recreational purposes with Christian friends and for the purpsoe of showing my non-Christian friends that Christianity isn't boring and lacking in fun. Plus I think you can be a good witness there to those who need it. As long as you aren't getting tempted to drink too much I don't have a problem with it
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Permalink Reply by Andy Mears on -
Paul in Corinthians about not doing things which can cause your brother or sister to sin. So you might feel it is right for you to go to a club, but for another it isn't. So what we need to do is to us wisdom in all that we do, so we don't cause problems for another person.
So I believe we need to look at what we are doing and if would cause a stumbling block to someone else we don't do it when we are with them. If we follow were we believe Jesus is leading us to go, then we will not be in a place which will cause another to sin. Jesus would be in the places where the people are and draw along side. So we are called to draw along side the people groups He calls us to. So be willing to step out to where He calls us as He will never call us somewhere which it could cause us harm.
(There are other references in the bible about what we do might be right for us but maybe a problem to others but at the moment can't remember where) -
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Permalink Reply by Beckie Knox on -
I know that we as children of God are to be different from the world. We are not to blend in to the ways that we think are ok. That's how satan slowly crawls his way in. The bible tells us that we are not to conform to the world. (2 Corinthians 1:12 For this is what we boast about: our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world with pure motives an godly sincerity, without earthly wisdon but with God's grace-especially toward you. Now I like to have fun just like the next person, but we have to be careful of what we do and who's watching and listening. My daddy use to tell me to always go where God was welcome to go. Do we think that when we go somewhere that we can leave God in the car. How much do you do for God while your in the club? Do you wear a sign that states I'm a Christian and I'm not drinking, it's just juice. I love to dance and always have. I love going to Christian rock concerts and I can move dance and have FUN as a Christian. Or I dance at home with my dog. Really it's fun. God wants us to have a great life, but we have to be careful cause we are different from the world. We're God's children and special. I use to go to clubs and each of us have to decide what we do but be sure that God leads you. Not you and not the world.
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Permalink Reply by Peter McMurray on
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We also need to make sure we don't end up living in a Christian bubble with our safe 'Christian' music and Christian friends though. Afterall, I believe it was Jesus who said "The sick need a doctor, not the healthy", and there's more likely to be more 'spiritually sick' people at a club than at a Christian rock concert.
I have gone out to clubs with non-Christian friends and it has enabled me to grow in friendship with them, which has lead to being given more opportunity to talk about my faith with them.
I don't think it is a case of leaving God in the car (or the cab/at home if you've walked to the club as I tend to do), but being a representative for Him in the club - not necessarily to everyone there who will have no way of knowing you are a Christian, but to the non-Christian friends you have gone with/met up with in the club, casting off the image they have that Christians can't have a good time, and showing them you can enjoy yourself, and have a bit to drink, without getting drunk
Beckie Knox said:I know that we as children of God are to be different from the world. We are not to blend in to the ways that we think are ok. That's how satan slowly crawls his way in. The bible tells us that we are not to conform to the world. (2 Corinthians 1:12 For this is what we boast about: our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world with pure motives an godly sincerity, without earthly wisdon but with God's grace-especially toward you. Now I like to have fun just like the next person, but we have to be careful of what we do and who's watching and listening. My daddy use to tell me to always go where God was welcome to go. Do we think that when we go somewhere that we can leave God in the car. How much do you do for God while your in the club? Do you wear a sign that states I'm a Christian and I'm not drinking, it's just juice. I love to dance and always have. I love going to Christian rock concerts and I can move dance and have FUN as a Christian. Or I dance at home with my dog. Really it's fun. God wants us to have a great life, but we have to be careful cause we are different from the world. We're God's children and special. I use to go to clubs and each of us have to decide what we do but be sure that God leads you. Not you and not the world. -
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Permalink Reply by Beckie Knox on
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I am not saying that we have to live in a bubble and I'm not saying that we can't have a drink because I do have a drink sometimes but it depends on each person and what there intentions are. In your case going with a non Christian friend I would do the same and I have done the same. Yes we need to show compassion to the lost and show God's love and that we are not judgemental that's not our job but God's. But from some of the remarks I got you don't get that same feeling. Yes we do extend our arms out to the hurt and the sick but once again we have to know with the guidence of God that we are doing it for His glory and not just fun for us. If
God tells me to go than I would be the first to walk beside and in there shoes to help a person in need whatever it may be and I have. You would also be suprised at how many non Christians are at rock concerts so if you have never been than you don't know. I have. It's just like in many churches, there are alot of people sitting there needing God. So I'm not saying don't do it I'm just saying do it for the right reason. I have known "Christians" use that excuse so they can have fun and never really change there life. Oh by the way I am a Christian and I have all kinds of fun so you don't have to be a stick in the mud to enjoy being a Christian. So to clear things up I have known several "Christians" that have hurt there wittness by going and the comments that the non Christian has said. Sometimes you have to read between the lines with me. And by the way how many people do you know that puts God on a shelf or on the back burner till they need him. Thanks :) -
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Permalink Reply by Kay Aeby on -
Going out with friends and having a drink is one thing but clubbing is another, I think you have to ask where would God be in all of this. Of course I am 57 and have just found that a nice time at home with friends with a great dinner and conversation and, I do drink wine, is better than going into a situation where you may be questioned as to why you are there if you are a christian.
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Permalink Reply by Peter McMurray on
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Kay - I'd agree age has a huge role to play in it. Christian or not Christian if you were 57 and out clubbing I wouldn't say that was really the right place for you to be (at least not at the kind of clubs I'm thinking of)
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Permalink Reply by Robin Prater on -
Wow, in thinking of this I just have to say no, clubbing is not a place for a Christian to be. Drinking is not even an attribute for a Christian. In our walk we are not to make others stumble, and in doing both of those things, we are not being the witness we are to be. I want to be a great example for my kids and others around me. Our flesh may want to do those things but God gives us scripture and His strength to overcome them. I think that is one place where our young people stumble. If they see their peers doing so, if they see those they look up to doing so what is to stop them? How do you explain to one it is okay for me but not you. What we do in moderation our children will do in excess. Great discussion Peter.
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Permalink Reply by Peter McMurray on
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Robin Prater said:Drinking is not even an attribute for a Christian.
Just wondering what your scriptural support would be for this? I can understand someone who is a Christian deciding that drink is not for them, and highly respect that, but at the same time see nothing in the Bible that rules out drinking alcoholic beverages absolutely. Yes it says don't be drunk, but it also says enjoy your wine in Ecclesiaste 9:7
I can understand that by not drinking you will be more likely to get people asking you questions that lead to evangelical opportunities, and in many situations do take that approach personally, but at the same time if I am out with friends I see no problem with the odd wee cider (or other drink of personal preference) now and again.
Ultimatley it comes down to personal weaknesses - if having one drink will tempt you to keep going too far, I would say don't have any. But if you are able to stop after one or two and just enjoy it without having too much, I see no problem. If your personality has been altered by what you have had to drink, you have clearly had too much, even if you are not technically 'dunk'. -
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Permalink Reply by Robin Prater on
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Peter, I did not by any means mean to upset another. You asked for opinions and I gave mine from my heart. You quoted me, and yes I do have scripture to back up the words I was expressing. You did not address any other statement I made about young people today, about being an example, or being a stumbling block. Before I give my scripture I will add from my own experiences. If I take a drink in my hand and a new Christian walks by me, what do my actions say to him? Yes, we have our flesh that we fight daily. Some fight drinking, gambling, addiction of any kind, overspending, abuse, the list goes on and on. Again, when God gave the commandments HE did not say this one is for you, and um, you take this one, and you, you don't have to obey this one because you have control where others do not. God knows we are going to be tempted by the things of this world, and He shows us a way out and gives us a new path to walk without the things of this world that do not satisfy for only a moment. Satan knows every weakness we have. He knows how to attack and when to strike. In Galations 5:16-26 it gives us attributes of being a Christian and what not to do in our walk. Proverbs 20:1, Romans 13:11-14, Romans 14:19-23, Proverbs 23:30-35, Ephesians 5:1-18. There are many more verses to add, but for me, I know that my body is the temple for the Holy Spirit. For me to give witness that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior I should be willing to show I can place my flesh down, and allow the Lord to live in me and show that He is enough, He is all I need. We are to be different and set apart as Christians. Others are to see something so much different in us, they too want to know what it is, how we overcome. One drink is never enough, it may be for one day, but what about the next day, and the day after at that office party? Why does one need drink? The Lord is our Living Water. About the verse you are quoting to try to say God does not tell us anywhere we cannot drink is wrong. He tells us in the Old and New Testament that is wrong. The wine He was speaking of then was not formented like is today. Our Savior was not drinking formented wine with His Mother and friends. Ecclesiastes is speaking of bread and wine, but this wine is not formented. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one, and that is okay. For me, I know in my walk I should not drink. If I do, I am telling others it is okay, but the question to ask is why do people feel the need to drink, when God's grace is sufficient to give joy to our hearts? In my walk I do not want to cause another to stumble. You may be able to drink one drink and not be drunk, but the one standing next to you seeing you drink may pick up a drink, and that one drink will change the rest of his life and those around him greatly. I will end with Phil. 2:3-4. We are to think of others before ourselves, and we are to be light of the world, the salt of the earth. I have seen what alcohol can do to one, I have seen what one drink can cost a family. It is never about us, or our wants, it is always about Jesus and showing others who He is. When I get to heaven I don't think I as I stand before my Father He will great me with a drink in His hand. Thank you for this discussion. Blessings
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Permalink Reply by Robin Prater on
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Peter, I would like to ask, how many people you have witnessed to, shared the gospel with, or invited to church while you are at a club, or drinking with (non) Christian friends? When God tells us to go for Him, He gives us the strength and the words of wisdom we need to reach others. When you are drinking with friends or at a club how many times does the Lord come up in your conversation? You almost seem to be attacking those who are saying we should not be drinking, but quoting others when their conversation is right here for everyone to see. I also have to add there is nothing about being a Christian boring. I have had more joy, more life and more fun in my Christian walk than in my days before knowing Him. In being a Christian we have a freedom to be who God has created us to be, and we are to think on things that are pure and holy, not letting the temptations of this world have a hold on us. When we accept Christ we are new creatures, we are to walk a new walk, and walk with the wise. Being a Christian you are not placing yourself in a bubble, it is anything but. Boring is a misconception others put out there about Christians. When we are truly walking with Christ, He is alive in us, and we find a new peace and joy, leaving the things of this world behind.
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